What do you think? How does this quote make you feel? Is Nin correct? Can man feel the same level of loneliness that a woman feels? I caste my vote with Nin.
“Man can never know the loneliness a woman knows. Man lies in the woman's womb only to gather strength, he nourishes himself from this fusion, and then he rises and goes into the world, into his work, into battle, into art. He is not lonely. He is busy. The memory of the swim in amniotic fluid gives him energy, completion. Woman may be busy too, but she feels empty. Sensuality for her is not only a wave of pleasure in which she is bathed, and a charge of electric joy at contact with another. When man lies in her womb, she is fulfilled, each act of love a taking of man within her, an act of birth and rebirth, of child rearing and man bearing. Man lies in her womb and is reborn each time anew with a desire to act, to be. But for woman, the climax is not in the birth, but in the moment man rests inside of her.”
― Anaïs Nin, The Diary of Anaïs Nin, Vol. 1: 1931-1934
Here is good data on the subject.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/socdemo/marriage/data/sipp/us-remarriage...: principally divorce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remarriage: Following widowhood and divorce
Delores, there are all sorts of studies that are done, but the following http://www.census.gov/hhes/socdemo/marriage/data/sipp/us-remarriage... is from the US Census bureau and if you take the time to read the statistics and study it states:
●Most men and women marry within 5 years of divorce.
●Generally, a higher percentage of men remarry within 5 years than women.
And this: Why divorced men remarry more often than divorced women: a prelimin... Lots of folks are discussing this New York Times article; it announces that for the first time, more than half of adult American women are living without a spouse.
Your statements go against the tides of what is commonly thought and accepted so when you make statements that do this, your citations and logic would be appreciated. Forgive me if I left out divorced people and only mentioned widowed people first, the statistics are about the same for each category and go up for women the older they become.
Rhonda, being up-to-date is different than always being in search of more knowledge. There are many scientific, mathematical and engineering fields that are up-to-date but because of human curiosity, they are also always in pursuit of more knowledge.
Pettiness and name calling are not necessary when having legitimate disagreements. However, as the great Daniel Patrick Moynihan was fond of saying, we can disagree about opinions but not about the facts. While facts are sometimes manipulated by the user, they are relatively easy to check.
Finally, we have moved a long way from Nin's quote in this conversation on culture book.
Obviously, you have not heard Johnny Cash, "What is truth?" .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO5z2xUNUpU
Well slap my ass, I tried to have an intelligent conversation when I was told I didn't know what I was talking about, and that I couldn't understand.Never was there an inquiry into my background or my knowledge base,excepting the one where it was concluded I was not on target with others. Yes we are off base, no names were called....unless you speak of the post on 'bullshit'. That was not directed at someone but at useless dialog. You will see I attempted an apology and it was further advanced was again concluded to not know what I'm talking about. While I applaud those in school, having earned my degrees and worked in the field I would caution that before you tell others what they can or can't know on a subject you should find out their background. I am sorry this got out of hand, I will make an effort to stay away from those.....
That's REALLY FUNNY: "Well, slap my ass..." (I never heard that expression used before!) I had to laugh out loud!!
Such a gift laughter is..!!
Laugh with me, Ronda!
I'm glad you got it. Life sometimes is just ridiculous and all you can do is laugh. Sometimes we wade through_______ (insert your descriptive noun here) and sometimes we step around it. No biggie.
I liked it, too. And I'm glad you got your sense of humor back!
I agree that we have strayed too far off topic and may need a whole new discussion on psychology!
As for Nin, I still think the quotation was speaking of the differences between men and women in the way they respond to the sex act. I'm not sure how this led to loneliness, but we have talked about it a long time.
Have we come to any conclusion, or should we agree to disagree?
I think,,no believe she is being 'biased'...something I would normally expect from a feminist, to be honest(never figured her for one) Granted, she is a gifted writer. I may be biased' or 'machista' myself I confess, being born and brought up the former part of my life in Latin America. And I think it's not too different betwixt continents... Men are supposed/expected' to suppress tears/emotions, while women can 'indulge' if they choose to. An example: I grew up listening to my old man's LP's,, mostly sad 'boleros' then when I could, would read the poets (Neruda, Nervo, Dario etc...) about love lost, and found most if not all were 'written by men'(!) It made me wonder/understand when I grew into one myself (that is, man/writer) that we share just as much love/loneliness than women...Perhaps it's been the women I've known, but sometimes I think 'perhaps more'(?) I learned to be compassionate from my mum's and to be 'reserved' and strong from my pop's with an equal dose of Love AllAround... All around;)
Trish, I have been thinking about your question of how sex and loneliness became linked. I think the answer has to do with the fact that sex, strong positive emotional and physical pleasure is a medicine for loneliness. Unfortunately, Americans still live with one foot in the Victorian area as opposed to the here and now. While there is no question that sexual energy and emotion has been misapplied to our collective lives, there is also no question in my mind, at least, that the good it possesses has not been applied enough to our personal lives. While I dis-like placing blame, I think Madison Avenue (retail Capitalism) and the mass media share some of the sorrow that we have inflicted upon ourselves chasing materialist, ego-centric satisfaction when emotional satisfaction is what we needed most.
Wilson, do you expect bias from strong men? If not, why from strong woman like Nin? All she was doing with her life was living like most men have for eons, applying sex to their lives when they felt like it despite their connection to a significant other.